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nova-exarch · Apr 26, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Looking to buy:

- Necro runes in pre. Especially superior runes!

- Any kit that can salvage runes/upgrades in pre.

Send me a message (or post here if you like) with what you have and a price and we can go from there.

Thanks,
Nova-

(IGN: Indra Shego)

nova-exarch · Apr 27, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

bump

theRizzler · Apr 27, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

I don't have any for trade or sell, just some information for you..

Minor runes usually sell for 12k, or 2 black dye in pre-Searing. If you're looking for superior ones, I doubt you'll find any for anything less than a "crazy amount of gold". I sold a minor healing rune for 1 black dye, and that's the cheapest I've seen one go for in pre.. All I've ever seen anyone trading minors for is 12k.

As for a kit.. I've been trying to get ahold of one of those for a while, without luck. I'm not saying you can't get one for a reasonable price.. I'm just saying that I can't. lol.

nova-exarch · Apr 28, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Maybe crazy was a bad choice of words.

It's hard to nail down prices I think of as crazy since that would vary depending on what the runes were and what frame of mind I'm in.

Not that I would say that any price I think of as crazy would be the same for anyone else. If they want to pay that much then it's not crazy. Clear as mud?

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FYI... none of the prices you mention seemed "crazy"

PHoenix is cool · Apr 28, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

You are both kidding? I had like 3 minors in pre, and I sold in post for 50g ea.

theRizzler · Apr 28, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by nova-exarch

Maybe crazy was a bad choice of words.

It's hard to nail down prices I think of as crazy since that would vary depending on what the runes were and what frame of mind I'm in.

Not that I would say that any price I think of ass crazy would be the same for anyone else. If they want to pay that much then it's not crazy. Clear as mud?

I agree

Quote:

Originally Posted by nova-exarch

FYI... none of the prices you mention seemed "crazy"

Nor do I think so. As I mentioned, those seem to be the standard prices.

The things that I thought you may consider crazy would be prices for superior runes or salvage kits. I've seen both in pre, but never for trade. Just to put some perspective to a possible price for one, I'll give you a few scenarios.

All of the runes you can find in salvage armors, in pre, are minor runes.
Once salvaged, those runes go for 12k, or 2 black dye each (pre currency, of course). A superior salvage kit has 100 uses. Given room for bogus salvages (e.g. Iron Ingots instead of Minor Rune of Vigor), I estimate that you will get ¾ uses of the kit (which is a liberal estimate, btw). Using these statistics, we can find the BASE ammount of profit that a superior/expert salvage kit can net you if you use it entirely to salvage runes and sell them.

a = d*(.75u) for the value in dye

d) cost of the rune, in black dye (2 as of right now)
u) Total number of uses on the kit left (100 on a full superior, 25 on full expert)
a) Total value of the kit, in black dye

b = g*(.75u) for the value in gold

g) cost of the rune, in gold (12k as of now)
u) total number of uses on the kit left (100 on a full superior, 25 on a full expert)
b) total value of the kit, in gold

For those that don't want to do the math, here are those basline prices for superior/expert salvage kits.

BLACK DYE PRICES
X = 2(25 x .75)
S = 2(100 x .75)
X (Expert Kit) = 37.5 total black dye (18.75 runes harvested)
S (Superior Kit) = 150 total black dye (75 runes harvested)

GOLD PRICES
X = (1.2 x (10^(+4))x(25 x .75))
S = (1.2 x (10^(+4))x(100 x .75))
X (Expert Kit) = 225,000g (18.75 runes harvested)
S (Superior Kit) = 900,000g (75 runes harvested)

Remember, these figures are based on the EXTREMELY LIBERAL estimate that 1/4th of your salvages will not yeild a rune (In reality, it will probably be a lot less). But those forumlae will basically tell you how much someone would make from a kit in pre, if they choose to salvage runes and sell them. So to purchase one, you would have to come up to close to the ammount of it's salvaging potential, unless you're getting it from a friend or guildie.

As for the superior runes.. As I mentioned earlier, they cannot be salvaged in pre, due to the fact that they cannot be found in pre. The only major/superior runes that exist in pre are the ones brought from post along with the kits. You're going to have a much harder time finding those, much less purchasing them.

I hope that made sense, good luck with your trading.

Also, I know my math cannot be perfect, but those are just ballpark figures.
You may be able to find someone to release a kit for slightly less money, just because you're buying it all at once, instead of him having to sell all of the runes/upgrades.. But like I said, never in my experience have I come across one for cheap.

theRizzler · Apr 28, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHoenix is cool

You are both kidding? I had like 3 minors in pre, and I sold in post for 50g ea.

I assume when you say you had 3 minors in pre that you meant runes in the charr armors. Non salvaged runes, that is.

If you had 3 runes, that had already been salvaged, in pre-Searing, you should've kept them there. Runes that are worth 50-150g in post are worth over 10k in pre.

nova-exarch · Apr 28, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Look, it's the daily bump!

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Nice formulas...

Only troubles I see are:

- There is no "set" value for anything in pre (or in post searing if it doesn't come from a vendor). It's completely a supply/demand kind of thing. Just because X price is what you saw and that is acceptable to you and I does not mean it will be acceptable to anyone else. All the formulas in the world will not change that.

- The demand for stuff in pre is always going to be relatively small because of it's nature. The majority of players are going to get bored with pre and never make 12k, let alone the "crazy" amounts your formulas turn up.

- Even if you consider trading post-searing gold for a kit in pre-searing, I can't think of too many people willing to trade anything close to 750k or even 500k in post-searing for a kit that "might" make them back close to 1,000k in pre-searing but will likely take months and months to do so. That is going to keep the demand low.

- On the other hand, supply could not possibly be any more limited so...

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Edit: While this would seem to be an appropriate place to discuss this, many will take it as an attempt to gather massive amounts of bumps. We should move the supply/demand talks elsewhere.

Thanks,
Nova-X

Lithium, · Apr 28, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

how du get runes in pre?

theRizzler · Apr 28, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Okay, Nova. Nice talking to you, and thanks for redirecting me. If you would like to continue our conversation, I've started a topic here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...84#post1319884

nova-exarch · Apr 30, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Bump and an edit (I only need necro runes)

weee....

theRizzler · May 01, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

I may be able to get you some of the minor runes you need.

Contact me in-game and we can talk business.
My pre-Sear character is "Sir Myk"

nova-exarch · May 12, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

still lookin

nova-exarch · May 16, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

blah...

I mean bump

megaforcetkd · May 16, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

HOW do you bring items back to pre from post (those kits that you were talking about)..

milias · May 16, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

It's a bug/exploit that has since been fixed...

nova-exarch · May 17, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Yar!

Bumpity bump...

nova-exarch · May 18, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

hmmm...

??

Oh yeah!

bumpity bump

nova-exarch · May 20, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Dear diary,

I am starting to believe there are no more runes to be found. Maybe people just do not want to part with the ones they have. Maybe the people that have them just do not visit here often.

Oh well...

Yours truly,
Nova-

p.s. Bump-diddly-bump-bump!

nova-exarch · Jun 08, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

been a while...

bump